来源：今晚看啥博客 2012-07-18 11:00
Host: The first question that I am kind of interested in asking what you think each has contributed to the computer and technology industry, starting with you, Steve, for Bill and vice versa.
Jobs: I think the biggest thing was that Bill was really focused on software, before almost anybody else had a clue it was really the software.
Host: Bill, how about the contribution of Steve and Apple?
Bill: First, I want to clarify I am not fake Steve Jobs.
Host: Actually I looked at an Apple ad from 1978 It was a print ad that shows you how ancient it was. And it said, thousands of people have discovered the Apple Computer.
Jobs: We had some very strange ads back then. There was one that was in the kitchen. And there was a woman that looked like the wife, and she was typing the recipes on the computer, with her husband looking on approvingly on the back.Stuff like that…
Host: Some people here, but I don't think most people know there was actually a Microsoft software on that Apple II Computer. Do you want to talk about what happened there? How that occurred?
Bill：The original Apple II BASIC, the integer BASIC,we had nothing to do with it. And then there was a floating-point one,where I mostly worked with Woz on that.
Jobs: Let me tell the story. We are getting a lot of input that people want this BASIC to be floating point. Please! Please make this floating point. We are begging Woz.
Host: Who is "we"? How many people at Apple?
Jobs: Well, me.We are begging Woz to make this floating point. He just never does it. He wrote it by hand on paper.
Host: How much was it? I think you were telling us earlier.
Bill: Oh, $31,000. For the floating point BASIC. And I flew out to Apple and spent two days there getting the cassette…The cassette tapes were the main ways people stored things at the time. And, you know, that was fun. So we were working together. The schedules were uncertain. The quality was uncertain. And the price...When Steve first came up, it was gonna be an a lot cheaper computer than it end up being. But that was fine.So we made this bet that this paradigm shift would be the graphic interface. Particularly the Macintosh will make it happen with 128K of memory. 22k of which was for the screen buffer, 14k was for the operating system.
Bill: We were actually negotiating a deal to invest and make some commitment with Gil Amelio. Next thing I know, Steve called me and said, "Don't worry about that negotiation with Gil Amelio，you can just talk to me now."
盖茨： 那是我们正在和Gil Amelio（苹果当时的CEO）谈一笔投资交易后来没多久，乔布斯打电话给我说：“不用和Gil Amelio谈了，现在你可以直接和我谈了。”（乔布斯回归苹果了）
How do you look at yourself in this landscape today? You are competitors in certain ways. We watched the commercials.You get annoyed at each other from time to time. I have to confess I like the PC guy.
Jobs: Yes, he is great. I like him.You know the art of those commercials is not to be mean, but actually for the guys to like each other.
Jobs: PC guys are great.They got a great heart.
Bill: In a few cases like the Zune, if you go over to that group. They think of Apple as the competitor. They love the fact that Apple has created a gigantic market. And they are gonna try and come in and contribute something to that. We love them, 'coz they are all customers. The same processors essentially that the Mac had this is one of those great ironies，that they were switching away from that processor, while the Xbox 360 was adopting it. But for good reasons, actually in both cases. We try and do things that way. So that was the development system for the early people getting their software ready for the introduction of Xbox 360.
盖茨： 有几个例子比如做Zune（微软的类似iPod产品）的那个小组。他们会把苹果当作竞争对手，他们为苹果创造了个那么巨大的市场而感到高兴，他们也会参与进来并努力作点自己的贡献，我们很喜欢他们，因为他们都是我们（iPod）的用户，（Xbox 360）用的是和Mac一样的处理器。这是我们认识上反差最大的事之一，在苹果放弃那个处理器的时候（该处理器在移动方面有欠缺）。XBox 360正开始采用它（XBox不需要移动应用）。不过两者虽然做法不同，但都有各自的道理。我们努力做到从实际需求出发。所以XBox早期员工就是用的这个开发系统来推出Xbox 360需要的软件部分。
Jobs: And we never ran an ad on that.
Bill: I see. Admirable restraint. That's wonderful restraint.
Jobs: There were hundreds of them.
Bill: Steve is so known for his restraints.
Host: I assume you carry tablet PC.I don't know what brand it is. Maybe you change them up. I don't know. You obviously carry a Macbook Pro, I would guess.
Jobs: Yeah. Well, and an iPhone.
Host: You have one?
Jobs: I do.
Host: Right here?
Host: He has one. He took it out before. Really. Is the iPhone and some of the other smartphone. I know you believe the iPhone is much better than the other smartphones at the moment. But are these things.. are they just computers in a different form factor?
Jobs: You know we are working on some things that I can't talk about
Jobs: Again, yeah.
Host: Very beautiful, yeah! There used to be a saying, isn't it at Apple… Gonna blow us away, though, when you can talk about it. Blow us away, wow, it's great. There used to be a saying at Apple
Jobs: Isn't it funny, a ship that leaks from the top?
Host: That's kind of like a sweater without sleeves is a vest.
Jobs: That's what they used to say about me when I was in my 20s.
Host: I am gonna ask a more personal question. We have just a minute before going to open up for questions. What's the greatest -I'm not gonna call this a Barbara Walters moment and ask you what tree you'd like to be, but…She would love to be Barbara Walters, let me just tell you. No, I would not. What's the greatest misunderstanding...
Host: Thank you, Steve.about your relationship? You're obviously gonna go down in history, history books already set, kind of thing. But what's the greatest misunderstanding in your relationship and about each other? What would you say about this idea of cat fight? Which one of the many?
Jobs: We've kept our marriage secret for over a decade now.
Host: Canada! That trip to Canada!
Jobs: Generally, we were both the youngest guys in the room, individually or together. I am about 6 months older than he is, but roughly the same age. And now when we are working at our respective companies, I don't know about you, but I am the oldest guy in the room, most of the time. That's why I love being here.
Host: Happy to oblige.
Jobs: I think of most things in life as either a Bob Dylan or a Beatles song. But there is that one line in that one Beatles song. You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead. That's clearly true here.
Host: Sweet. You know what? I think we should just end it here. I now have a little tear right here. Thank you very much!